War ends; did we win?
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President Obama, looking every bit the part, on Tuesday night declared the end of the Iraq War for American soldiers, therefore bringing to a conclusion the first such conflict this country has waged on a deadline.

Obama was careful not to declare victory, but he should have borrowed from his predecessor and announced that the mission had been accomplished. When the U.S. invaded Iraq, its goal was to depose the dictator Saddam Hussein and end any threat that he might use weapons of mass destruction, make the country inhospitable for terrorists seeking to attack the United States, and give Iraqis a chance to establish a democratic form of government.

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The cost, however, has been substantial — and a compelling argument can be made that the price has been too high.

More than 4,400 American troops have been killed in Iraq, a number that can only go up as 50,000 soldiers remain in non-combat roles and some will inevitably be caught in the crossfire. Twenty-two thousand more have been wounded, many of them suffering horrific and life-altering injuries. And this country spent almost $800 billion on the war, less than last year’s stimulus, but dollars that have dug us deeper into debt.

The seven-and-a-half-year Iraq War was often compared to Vietnam, with critics saying America was bogged down, there was no way to declare victory, and there was no exit strategy. In the end, however, they were wrong because Iraq today — while still not a safe place — is no longer shackled by tyranny and its people have a chance at self-government.

If Iraqis can manage that and democracy eventually spreads in the Middle East, then it can be said that the war was won. Frustratingly, it will be generations before any conclusions can be made with certainty.

There is no question that war-weary Americans are glad to see our role in Iraq coming to an end. That was a collective cheer you heard Tuesday night when Obama said it was time for this country to turn its focus inward, and begin working to remedy perhaps the biggest threat to our national security, a wobbly economy that has us borrowing against our children’s future.
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PercyKution
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September 09, 2010
RangerSgIt: I don't totally disagree with you. I just think it was sheer stupidity the way it was done. If Reagan had been President, it would have been over and CLEARLY won within a week if that long. IF Colin Powell hadn't stopped Gen. Swarzkopf dead in his tracks when he was driving on Baghdad in the FIRST Gulf War, the second would never have happened. I just think this second one was all political and money-making for the insiders. And I see NO difference in W Bush and the Obama boy. As far as I'm concerned they're in a dead tie for the SORRIEST President this country ever had. That's all.
RangerSgt
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September 09, 2010
Ex had hit the nail on the head, but unfortunately, Percy, you have missed a softball this time my friend.

First for this apologist President we have, it is disgusting and indeed as Percy says we are the laughing stock. It will change in a couple of years, but the big question is will that be too late for this country?

Percy my friend, do you know of ANY conflict that does not kill (funeral home remark) or make money for military contractors (the armed forces don't manufacture their own arms and ammo, etc, the last time I checked)? If you do, please let me know? Even the Revolutionary War (which I hope you would agree was a just war) did so. This is always the fall out. War is dirty, evil, and brutal, and will continue to be so until the end of mankind. That's why its so important for us to put up a strong defense.

Its really simple if you get right down to it. Remember your school days? Were you the bully, or did you get bullied? You (everyone) were either one or the other (there are no neutral Switzerlands on the playground). If you managed to overcome the bully, how did you do it? You did it by beating his tail, and making him afraid of messing with you, didn't you? That's what we have to do to the brutal muslim (so called peace lovers) world - they will continue to hate us, but at least stay behind their lines.

Did we win? We won't be able to truly answer that question for a long time. Hopefully this sorry excuse of a President and Congress we have won't waste the blood that has been spilled. That would be the ultimate treason.
Ex-Lumbertonian
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September 08, 2010
Comparing this war to Vietnam is the most ludicrous comparison imaginable. Yes, as the Commander-in-Chief he should have put the American apologist crap aside for the first time in his tenure and congratulated his men for liberating a country from a horrible leader, Saddam Hussein. This was a victory. We have a presence now in a region that is on the brink of something far worse than Saddam. This excuse of a President has made our country look like fools to the rest of the planet many times now. This was yet another example. I was disgusted with this guy before but I am REALLY disgusted with him now. Obama is a joke. The most powerful man on the planet has the audacity to apologize and skirt congratulating our greatest members of society with a firm handshake and thanks from what many of us consider a great "victory" for you servicemen. Thank you for your sacrifice through voluntary service for your country! Sorry your leader does not understand what many of us who served DO know. You all achieved objective after objective under horrible conditions yet you achieved victory after victory, time after time. Thank you!
PercyKution
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September 05, 2010
Win? Win what? What was the prize for the "winner"? The funeral homes won. The military contractors won. The big military supply contractors won. Rogue thug outfits like "Blackwater USA" based right here in NC won. THE PEOPLE, such as those of us here in Robeson County LOST BIG TIME. And we, our children, and their children will be paying for it forever. "Did we win"? What a pure insane question. But if you HAVE to ask, the answer is a big fat NO.
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